i-G33K
Registered: 09.03.2012
Location: Lithuania
Posts: 7
06.09.2014 11:09:33
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Hide team components in cup competitions ?
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I know this is an option available by spending 1M from budget, but shouldn't it be on for all teams until they are participating in the cup competitions ?
Because as it works now, Mr. Schumacher waits till it's five minutes to pit lane closing, then copies my team's choices even to qualifying positions, and because I'm choosing to compete without using KERS, I know that I've lost this duel before it even started.
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MariaFan
Registered: 12.03.2013
Location: USA
Posts: 14
13.12.2014 23:55:24
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Why do we need to pay for secrecy?
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Well, since it's the off-season and we have nothing else to talk about it, I'll throw in my thoughts on the "Secrecy" issue.
In the Yahoo NASCAR fantasy games, nobody can see what their opponents choose until after the pits are closed. It doesn't cost anything.
I see no reason why I should have to spend money just so somebody else can't see what components I have chosen.
After all, does Lotus get to look at Ferrari's fuel mapping and software prior to the race?
No. Never.
Just some thoughts here....
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KatzevonSwish
Registered: 07.03.2010
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 56
25.09.2014 09:29:10
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I don't like the idea of disabling KERS. Besides it doesn't address the issue of copying as the team with higher aggregate points thus winning by tie-breaker in the knock-out phase.
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GaKra Motors
Registered: 02.03.2006
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 925
22.09.2014 21:26:40
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@Maverick I think your solution could be a good one for the Cup. But being a nitpick sometimes, I see a problem for the overall competition... not very probable to happen, but still... let's say someone would really rock the Cup competition during the group stage and be ranked number 1 in the overall competition... then one race gets cancelled so the Cup lasts til the very last race... and then all his opponents on the way to the finals are rookies or pros... after the last race he is 9 points or less behind the new World Champion, with a full KERS. 
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Dominik
Registered: 06.03.2005
Location: Austria
Posts: 453
22.09.2014 01:19:46
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Discharge only means still benefit from loaded KERS?
I dont get it, how it should help with the problem of copied setups.
To automatically hide the qualifying tips sounds clever but it is still not enough because the richer competitor switches "copy cope" (if that makes any sense in English). For me this is to calculate how many of my components are allowed to DNF before I will geht lesser points than my opponent in total. This is usually the case if his team varies by 4 or more components or if his setup is so silly that i do not want to copy this, eg spare budget of 20 mio. But let me tell you: Its good fun to copy cope the team in Cup. In all the other series you better not do this since there are more competitors at once. Cup is a refreshing alternative and we should, if really necessary, think for a solution that does not destroy the thrill of 1 on 1s on the edge. Isnt this a great challenge: Make one lousy point more than your opponent but maximize your budget growth. Where else do you have this?
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CarlisleFrost
Registered: 19.03.2009
Location: USA
Posts: 132
21.09.2014 23:33:04
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@Maverick: Not a fan of that. You have to commit budget into KERS, so if it is disabled against certain people, it's effectively taking budget out of a team and all the benefits you have effectively paid for. Some people will have 3m they've put into their KERS by this stage, so it'd be a fair budget hit to then be without it.
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Maverick
Registered: 10.01.2004
Location: Austria
Posts: 1076
21.09.2014 21:41:51
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Obviously, this topic seems to create some interest. I am really pleased about this.
Some of you may already know that I am not a friend of hiding team components for free (even guessed Qualifying positions and race lap times).
But maybe there is a way to improve something in the Cup competition:
I could imagine to disable KERS (discharge only) in the case of an Expert plays against a Pro or Rookie in the Cup group stage or play-off.
What do you think about this suggestion?
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KatzevonSwish
Registered: 07.03.2010
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 56
21.09.2014 02:27:49
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I'm really pleased we're discussing this topic and love the term "copy-KERSed."
Yes, I've done it; yes I've had it done to me. Is it against the spirit of the game? I'm not sure. But I admit it does feel a little silly sitting in Las Vegas in the middle of the night hitting F5 on my opponent's team page waiting for him/her to do something while worrying the cable is going to go out. On the other hand and as others have noted, copy-KERSing someone has a price, particularly in the round-robin stage where budget growth is critical.
Automatically hiding components in Cup competitions seems to me to be going too far. We have the secrecy option. CarlisleFrost's idea of just hiding quali positions and fastest lap time strikes me as a clever idea. I'd support that for next season.
~ KvS
One additional thought: In the group stage this year I found myself on two occasions against veterans with larger budgets. I had no doubt I was going to get copy-KERSed, so rather than playing "who blinks first" I used those two races to build budget, charge KERS, and use the bad rubber. Obviously in the knock-out phase the approach doesn't work. |
CarlisleFrost
Registered: 19.03.2009
Location: USA
Posts: 132
18.09.2014 23:29:12
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General: I do still think just making qualifying and fastest lap predictions invisible to others is a potential way to go here. Anything further would be overkill, but there's no big negative for hiding those few things. Not sure how easy it'd be to do though!
@Dominik, I'm surprised you got knocked out. The tyre rules seem pretty similar to last year. Was also bizarre to see what looked like you giving up with 2 rounds to go (more than 3 changes and leaving tons of budget spare). You were still in the mix on the final race, even if you would have needed some good luck! Course, even if you'd made it through, the cup's not a walk in the park this year. Fair few strong teams in it. Naturally, I'll hope to be sending Schumacher packing in the quarter finals if we both get that far!
As for the waiting until just before the pit lane closes before submitting, people are in different time zones and things outside the site that do take their time, so it's not always doable to get submissions in just before. For example, anyone in the US would need to wake up at 4/5am to do this for a race that's on European time.
Really, I want whoever wins something like this to do so on merit and skill, rather than anything else.
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Dominik
Registered: 06.03.2005
Location: Austria
Posts: 453
13.09.2014 18:19:59
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Ive seen things worse in cup thab simply copying the set up of someones opponent. But that is not the topic here. The main difference between world championship and cup is the series of good race results vs the one-on-one. To be able to survive the elimination rounds, you have to built up one of the highest budgets, kers loaded up for the tougher opponents and should avoid DNF by some of your components at all costs. Cup is a showdown whereas in world championship you become the winner if your average results are higher that everyones else. Ive won the cup three times i a row and am pretty sure to have understood what it takes to become succesful. I would be also heading for this trophy in this year if i havent got fooled by the new tyre rules. What a shame on me.
I say let the cup be what its now. Its good to have competitions with different approaches. The problem with the copied set up is only a problem of novices. Simply wait until 15 seconds before pit lane closes and press submit changes. If you dont want to wait for the pc or in front of your smartphone, then your simply not dedicated enough and deserve to get lamed out if the cup. :P
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GaKra Motors
Registered: 02.03.2006
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 925
08.09.2014 11:43:59
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@CarlisleFrost I have to agree with you that it's not a very glorious victory, but I also have to admit that I have used that strategy, too. Not that this fact makes it automatically better, lol, but then Schumacher had to decide between an easy victory or making a better team and maybe even load his KERS a bit and be in a better position for the next duel... and then he realised that i-G33K is too strong an opponent to risk too much. This is not against the rules and therefore correct, but sure not funny for a strong and active player like i-G33K. I agree that it might be necessary to discuss about the rules.
By the way, and this is not meant to be disrespectful, did anyone really expect someone named Schumacher to resist the temptation of an easy victory? It's not what you should do if you want to become the most popular driver, but if you "only" want to become a 7-time World Champion, you should take every chance that comes your way.
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